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Казахам надо предотвратить “добровольное присоединение” к России.

   Пока украинцы распускали сопли и твердили о братском русском народе, русские оттяпали без единого выстрела Крым и присоединили его к России. При этом предварительно ввели на территорию Крыма своих военных без опознавательных знаков. А потом уже провели акцию легитимизации. Украинцы как более развитая нация по сравнению с русскими поверили в то, что славяне братья не пойдут на такую подлость. Они не хотели крови. Они пожалели русских. Они могли в течение часа уничтожить внедрившихся на их суверенную территорию этих “зелённых человечков”, т.е. вооружённых русских бандитов неизвестной формации. Известно, что вооружённые бандиты подлежат уничтожению, если представляют опасность людям, народу или государству. Русские братья, подлые и коварные по своей сути люди, игнорировали увещеванию цивилизованного мира и совершили очередную подлость.
    Некоторые казахи, либо идиоты, либо подлецы, продолжают твердить о дружбе с русским народом. Другие казахи могут также распустить сопли и ждать когда русские окончательно похоронят казахскую независимость, которой практически ещё и не существовало. Есть только флаг, гимн и запись в ООН о существовании РК. Граница существует только на карте. Русские в северном Казахстане давно обрели оружие и камуфляжную форму. В любой день они могут выйти и объявить населённые русскими области территорией России. И подведут под это “историческую справедливость”. Сами за себя говорят названия как Павлодар, Петропавловск и др., что это русские города и что русские их построили. Если всё это останется, то общественность поверит такой “исторической справедливости”. Ведь для американцев и европейцев имена Пётр и Павел священные. Только за это они поверят и поддержат русскую аннексию северного Казахстана. А читать историю все будут по русским учебникам и справочникам. Раз казахи не поменяли название в годы независимости, значит это действительно русские города и русские земли.
    Теперь стоит вопрос. Ждать или не ждать? Украинцы ждали и получили результат. Остались без Крыма. А завтра могут остаться без Донецка, Харькова и других юго-восточных областей. Не захотели защищать и потеряли. А всё потому, что Крым украинцам достался в качестве подарка, дважды, когда подарок был сделан Хрущёвым и, когда Украина получила независимость после развала СССР. За годы независимости украинцы не удосужились обеспечить своё большинство в Крыму. За это и поплатились. Легко отдаётся то, за что не боролись и не проливали кровь. Казахам тоже независимость подарили через не хочу. Теперь взяли, значит согласились. Значит нужно дорожить, а то, как дали, так и заберут. Если заберут, то второй раз не дадут.
    Поразительно то, что Крым делят между собой Украина и Россия. Никому в голову не приходит, что Крым исторически принадлежит коренным крымчакам, а это значит, что он принадлежит так называемым крымским татарам. И статус автономии Крыму дали потому, что имели в виду автономию крымских татар, а не русских колонистов. Следовательно, если по справедливости, то нужно рассматривать Крым со статусом независимого государства, как он существовал много веков до захвата Крымского Ханства российской империей. Россия много веков зарилась на Крымский полуостров. И только после русско-турецкой войны 1768-1774 г.г. Крымское Ханство, сохранив статус независимого государства, потеряла Турцию как военного защитника Крыма. Воспользовавшись этим в 1783 г. Россия нарушила договор о сохранении независимости Крыму и аннексировала Крымский полуостров. Сразу после захвата Крыма русские начали истребление крымчаков и уничтожение всей кыпчакско - мусульманской цивилизации на этой земле. По данным барона Иосифа Игелшторма в 1783 г. в Крыму насчитывалось 1600 мечетей и религиозных школ. В начальные годы после присоединения Крыма к России, все дворцы, мечети и школы были разрушены. Выжившая после бойни часть коренного населения бежала в Турцию, Румынию и другие страны. Крым заселялся русскими, казаками, армянами, немцами и другими христианскими народами. Крым не единственный пример уничтожения русскими тюркских народов на завоёванных землях. Тюрки, особенно кыпчаки, наиболее сильно пострадали от русских по всей территории Российской империи. Известно, что государственным языком в Золотой Орде был кыпчакский язык. Если кыпчакский язык был государственным языком, значит, в Золотой Орде господствующим народом были кыпчаки. Поэтому русские завоеватели уничтожали на протяжении столетий в первую очередь кыпчаков, а также всё, что было кыпчакское, и всё, что являлось кыпчакской цивилизацией. Теперь уточним, кто были кыпчаки и что такое кыпчакский язык.
    Перед вами карта распространения кыпчаков в 1200 г.
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На карте видно, что кыпчаки жили от Алтая до Балкан. Крым был заселён кыпчаками. Украина, Северный Кавказ и Закавказье также принадлежали кыпчакам.
    Мы также знаем, что кыпчаки входят в состав казахского народа. Мы также знаем, что современный казахский язык, почти на 100% сохранил идентичность с древним кыпчакским языком. На нём сегодня говорят казахи, крымчаки (крымские татары), карачаевцы, балкары, каракалпаки и многие другие народы в Азии и Европе.
    Когда русские истребили кыпчаков (считай казахов) в Ереванском Ханстве и эту землю с городом Ереван отдали армянам, то армяне первым делом уничтожили все следы пребывания на этой земле коренных тюрков и мусульманскую цивилизацию. Они сравняли с землёй все дворцы и мечети и на их месте построили свои христианские церкви. И всё это происходило незадолго до революции 1917 г и после, в первые годы Советской власти, с попустительства русских.
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На русской карте, найденной в архиве, датированной 1918 г. изображёно Ереванское Ханство, которое было завоёвано русскими и заселено армянами. В нескольких километрах от озера Севан простирались земли казахов. В то время русские ещё не провели кампанию по уничтожению уже самих казахов и их имени на картах и в документах, заменяя имя “казах” на “киргиз-кайсак”.
    Казахам нужно учиться у истории. Я не говорю забирать и возвращать все исторические земли казахов. Эти земли не только необъятны, но и не под силу казахам. Нужно хотя бы отстоять то, что имеется на сегодняшний день. Сделать хотя бы то, что делали русские и армяне для исторического закрепления чужих земель, совершив злодеяния по отношению к кыпчакским (казахским) землям. Казахам не надо заниматься как русские исторической подлостью. Казахам надо назвать свои города своими казахскими именами как им положено именоваться. Принять также все меры, описанные в моей статье “ Казахам нужно как можно быстрее избавляться от русских”.
    Ясно, что русские усыпили бдительность украинцев гипнотическим повторением магических слов “украинцы наши братья, мы один народ”. Наивные и порядочные украинцы позволили загипнотизировать себя, а очнувшись, получили сюрприз. Остались без Крыма. Интересно, какими словами будут русские гипнотизировать казахов. “Мы братья славяне” не проходит. Некоторые казахи уже почти славяне, только физиономией не вышли. Русские признают славянами только на себя похожих. Ведь из-за их невежества, они даже не понимают, что славянство определяется языковой общностью, а не расовыми признаками. У русских, из-за их глупости, в ходу выражение “лица славянской внешности”, часто употребляемое даже среди интеллигенции и политиков. Поэтому казахам чисто говорящим на русском языке и не знающего иного другого языка, даже своего казахского, не следует надеяться, что русские примут их за своих братьев славян. Так какое же братство уготовано казахам для насильственно-добровольного присоединения Казахстана к России? Есть вариант. Они будут присылать казанских татар в Казахстан, и они будут говорить казахам, как прекрасно им живётся в России, и будут призывать казахов добровольно присоединиться к татарским братьям тюркам и мусульманам великой России. Путин в случае с аннексией Крыма присылал татарского президента из Казани, для уговаривания крымских татар присоединиться к России. Невежественным русским вместе с их президентом Путиным невдомёк, что татары Крыма это далеко не родственники казанским татарам. Слово “татар” это обзывательство, которое русские применяли ко всем тюркам и мусульманам на территории Золотой Орды. Русские это слово заимствовали у европейцев. Европа боялась Золотой Орды и называла ордынцев “тартарами”, что по латыни означает “исчадие ада” или на современном русском языке это “порождённые адом”. В русском языке это слово видоизменилось в слово “татары”. Так, крымские татары это исторически кыпчаки, и это роднит их с казахами. Казанские татары исторически являются булгарами, т.е. тюркским народом имевшим своё государство в верховьях Волги, под названием Булгарское Ханство.
    Но казахи вспомнят, что такое они уже проходили в истории. При царской России власть присылала в Казахстан казанско-татарских мулл, которые проповедовали покорность русскому царю. Казанские татары убеждали казахов в том, что им (татарам) прекрасно живётся под покровительством русских уже несколько столетий. Татары выдавали своих дочерей за богатых и властных казахов. Родство с татарами оказывало сильное влияние и на братство с русским народом. Не случайно, что казахский писатель и просветитель Абай попал под влияние татар, и стал призывать казахов любить русских. За что русские полюбили Абая. Что из этого вышло, мы тоже уже знаем. Колонизация, голодомор и геноцид казахов. Значит, родство с русскими не проходит. Значит, будут использовать пятую колону, и будут использовать русскоязычных казахов, которые считают себя почти русскими. Будут также рассчитывать на предателей, коих всегда найдётся в достатке среди любого народа.
    Поэтому, если в Казахстане появятся “зелённые человечки” на бронетранспортёрах и с автоматами в руках, то нужно незамедлительно их уничтожить огневым ударом. Не ждать и не распускать слюни и сопли, а с оружием в руках защищать свою страну и землю. Не надо надеяться, что кто-то за казахов вступиться и защитит от врага. Отпор врагу надо давать сначала самим, потом уже просить помощи у международной общественности. Нужно быть бдительным. Особенно, если у твоего порога уже расположился коварный и вероломный враг.
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   Подлее русских не бывает. Всё делают из под тишка и коварно. Захват Крыма ещё раз показал сущность русских.
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